Okay, because it's really hard to get in contact with everyone, I'm going to try using this to stay in better touch!!!

I was hoping we could talk about the contest on this thread, away from the majority of the participants on the wiki, so let me know if this could work for you! Otherwise, I'm kind of out of options!

The plan is to be using a Google Doc to score the characters after October 13th when all the characters are due. I'll need your emails (some of which I already have!) so I can share them with you.

If you aren't comfortable using your wiki email, I would make a new one just for the sake of this! Then I'll remind the judges when the date rolls around to contribute to the doc.

Right now, I just want to see if this will show up in your notifications!!

Lastly, please only use this thread if I specifically gave it to you! Thank you :>

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This thread is for Avalon and Drawkill only for planning a story. If you read this thread, you will get spoiled on the book we are writing.

Updates to the Helio Wiki

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This is, rather obviously, a list of things that either need to be or should be (IMO) changed or updated.

Send User:Forge the Hybrid a message at Fanon or HelioWiki if you'd like to contact him directly.

Feedback is appreciated and will be kept in mind when putting the following changes into action.

Thanks for reading, and don't forget to leave your opinions!

Original google docs here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1M2OoGqCBNwgzesEDB9lyPW72JTEpWoh-HYvWGeAZ0rs/edit?usp=sharing

Navbar

The Navbar is in need of some changes to be current.

• Coding tools tabCSS Patterns: this is the most important page I feel, second only in theory to the Free Patterns page. It should probably stay where it is.Custom Code: Maybe move it to the bottom, since it has mouse over effects and it's the only one that does. These should be organized by importance I think.Custom Comments: Third most important. Cool, but not as necessary as quotes or infoboxes.Custom Infobox: Most important thing in this section. Almost every single coded page has one, and it should be easily findable for a new coder.Custom HTML Infobox: Least important. More of a novelty I think, I haven't seen anyone use it, ever. Should be at the bottom.Custom Quotes: Second most important thing.Custom TOC: Fourth most important. Kind of feel the same about it as a I do the HTML infoboxes, but to a lesser extent.Free Formats: This is definitely the first/second most important page. I'd place the CSS patterns a notch above it, and I'd say it should be right below it in the dropdown.Installed Fonts: This is important-ish, although most people leave the font as the default one. This should be #3 in the list, after free formats and css patterns.Misc. Code: this is NS's thing to do something with, but I feel like their formats should go under free formats, be moved to the bottom, or put into a collapsible window. imo (Misc. Code) should be that, not something as intricate as a complete format. But again, it's NS's.

• Experiments tabChatskins: This is, in my opinion, no longer an experiment. It should be moved to a seperate tab, but more on that later.Experimental Pages: This links to a category page, made for WiP OCs that will be moved to Fanon on completion. Good idea in theory, but honestly there isn't a good reason for it seeing as everyone that goes to Helio Wiki and makes edits there are doing it for the Fanon.New Templates: This is also a category, and it appears to be made for holding templates that did not come default from wikia, and despite the number of non-wikia templates, only has a few entries.

Navbar Changes

Coding Tools tab:

• Rearrange the order:CSS patternsInstalled FontsMiscellaneous CodeCustom CodeCustom InfoboxCustom QuotesCustom CommentsCustom TOC

Experiments tab:

• Should be removed

Unnamed tab:

• Add the following:Free FormatsChatskins

Categories

Making changes to the categories; organizing and consolidating them

• Category:Experimental Pages Remove or cut down on pages with it; the pages with this category truly should be experimental.

• Category:Coded pages All coded pages in Category:Experimental Pages should be moved to this category, unless they actually are experimental. This category seems overkill to me, as next to all pages are coded. Should be renamed from (Coded pages) to (Coded Pages) to fit with Experimental Pages and it being a title.

• Category:New Templates I'm thinking this one should just be removed. It's pretty unnecessary. There are many templates that fit into Helio's description for this category, and yet so few in it. Safe for removal.

• Category:Characters Should be merged with Characters (Fanmade) since all characters here are fanmade.

• Category:Characters (Fanmade) See above Category.

Category Changes

• Category:Experimental PagesRemove or cut down on pages with it; see below.

• Category:Coded pagesAll coded pages in Category:Experimental Pages should be moved to this category, unless they actually are experimental.

• Category:New TemplatesRemoval.

• Category:CharactersMerge with below category.

• Category:Characters (Fanmade)Merge with above category and then delete this one.

Other

For things small enough they don't need a whole section, but big enough I want opinions

CSS Patterns

• This page should be more organized. I'll get to work on a organized version on one of my sandbox pages once I have time.I plan on putting content in tabbers, renaming things to better suit them etc.

Free Formats

• I recently redid this page, I'm still looking for feedback.

Help Page

• The Helio wiki should have a help page for general coding issues that beginners have.

• Help:RulesA consolidated version of what Fanon has, only what's applicable to Helio Wiki.MAKE SURE TO MENTION ADDING (Category:Candidate for Deletion) if you're done with a page, or else replace content with something about deleting the page.

• Help:CodingThis one is obvious, either a subpage or a header on the wiki with faq and solutions to common coding problems (forgot to close a div tag, no (") so their styles don't work, and so on).

Discussions

• Maybe something small promoting the use discussions, so we can test it out nicely, get some real feedback to send to FANDOMSuggest users ask their questions on discussions in the welcome message or at the top the help page.

Short Page cleanup

• We have a bunch of short pages on the Helio Wiki that haven't been edited in a few months or years.Maybe get the JS thing Wongs uses to do the short page cleanup on Fanon; if not, we can do it by hand.

Fonts

• We have bunch of fonts, most of which we have hosted on the wiki, a few of which we get from Google Fonts.To minimize the size of the css file, we can get most of our fonts from google. 14 out of 18 are available. My question is would we rather keep it the way it is, or switch to mostly using google fonts as a way to shrink css file size?The fonts avalible on google are Architects Daughter, Coming Soon, Covered By Your Grace, Handlee, Indie Flower, Lora, Rock Salt, Seaweed Script, Shadows Into Light, Swanky and Moo Moo, Tangerine, Ubuntu, Waiting for the Sunrise, and Walter Turncoat. See them hereMy opinions about switching to google are mixed: On the one hand, it will shrink our css file and allow us to remove the files from our wiki, but on the other hand, we are now relying on google to deliver our fonts, and if they go down, so do our fonts.Maybe ask Fanon admins/'crats if they'd like to use google fonts so they have more font availability over there? (it only takes 1-2 lines of code to get all 14 fonts, so size isn't an issue, and if they did that we'd have more fonts to play with.)

Main Page

• I think our main page could use a bit of modernization.On the side bar we have Wiki Content, Useful Links, and Wiki Code.Wiki Content: This is pretty redundant considering everything here is also in the Navbar. Removal or reconsideration of what goes here.Useful Links: The first two links are most useful, the WikiText link is kind of useful but I have no idea who uses it; I try to use only html tags and avoid wikitext when it's not too much trouble. (for example, I'm using wikitext bullet points so I don't have to mess around with confusing ul and li tags) And for the System Messages, that could be removed. It's not very necessary.Wiki Code: Could be organized better; all the css together, then js, then the list of mediawiki pages.

New Wiki Theme

• Maybe the most questionable thing on this list.Helio said back in Sept. 2016 that people were free to fiddle with the theme, and I don't think anything's changed since then. Maybe we could hold a contest either on HelioWiki (or on Fanon) to give the HelioWiki a fresh appearance.You can highlight forum posts even after discussions have been enabled so we could host it on the helio wiki, although I'd bet we get 8-9 voters tops.Maybe admins just decide then?

to see if we can highlight posts even after Discussions have been enabled.

seriously, what is with it?

also, can we just add those to our page or what?

How can I give my text a glowing effect?

This testing wiki is getting more and more outdated.

The Free formats? page, which should really be our biggest asset, is really big and hard to use. The comments section has also been broken for months now...

The Fonts page was great, but with the fanon wiki no longer supporting many fonts (mostly for the sake of accidental licensing violations. I have a genuine font license to use Adelon Book (the wings of fire chapter font) and the google fonts were limited to just a few) it is really misleading.

The CSS Patterns page is one of our better maintained pages, but could we implement a Tabview function to make it load faster and help us organize content in a more condensed fashion?

Aside from that, this wiki has kept its current design style for a while. Does anyone have any fresh changes for it? I really don't mind if someone wanted to dig around in the MediaWiki:Wikia.css page or the Special:ThemeDesigner and play around with the design.

One last thought, if you have pages that you've worked on here, published on the fanon, and don't think that you'll be making any more changes on here, would you delete your old pages?

If anyone has any more thoughts on things we could do or ways we can make this testing wiki better, please let me know here, or just go ahead and do them!

this is a test to see if you can highlight closed threads because i'm way too lazy to google it

i cant log in on woff

it works everywhere else but

i cant log into woff

dont look here if ur not part of my collab story. there will be spoilers and stuff that if ur gonna read it then u dont wanna see lol

ANYWAYS MY DUDES! we can talk about plot and relationships and getting everything all ready right here (y)

U KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS????? IT MEANS ITS TIME FOR A WIKI RENAISSANCE! YES!

we're gonna make this wiki great again.

SO if you guys have ANY IDEAS for what we could do to get the wiki active + involved more then PUT EM HERE!!

things like contests or nice rp prompts for some structured rps or a big collab fanfiction project or WHATEVER.

put them RIGHT HERE

im planning a cool contest

okay so im trying to be friendly and get better at rping so why not kill two birds with one stone

so i kinda want to have a couple small fallout rps?? like three or four people max. but i can do multiple....and you people can do some without me too haha i dont have to be in them

but um if anyone wants to rp with me (ill use penn or nirvana......depends. ill probably do one with each ahaha) just ask....

please just have a decently developed fallout character (basic description and personality.....doesnt have to be super developed these rps are for developing them more haha).

so yeah just ask. if you have any ideas for a plot hmu with a pm sometime and we can talk it out

if you want to rp with either penn or nirvana specifically just say that too....

one on ones are okay too

honestly i just wanna rp

haha

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aaa.......

:,^)

I'm trying to make some code that will make it so that comments are not displayed. This is for the sake of voting, so that the comments won't show until it's time to tally them up.

The code I am testing is here:

.page-Thread_6459 ul.replies .msg-body {display:none;}

Please feel free to post and see if your comments disappear

So I think templates are really cool. They're pretty confusing to figure out, but they're cool.

So I was thinking, since everyone has the ownership disclaimer at the top of very page, maybe there could be a template where we just type like Template:Own and have a "This blah blah blah belongs to blah blah blah" kind of thing?? I don't know if it's possible, but I feel like it could be convenient

Also, since the lamprey army is becoming popular, maybe we should make a template for that?? I started one, but it sucks so ya know. Anyways, it could be like the infoboxes, where it has the default picture, but you can change it with a certain property?? I dunno just vomiting ideas out

If anyone else has some other ideas feel free to share them~